Religion

[adaM]

Originally Posted by Prokopis

I dunno why you guys even bother addressing Joku's incoherent mind-dumps. I mean, it's obvious he's just dicking around and you're playing right into it by fanning that shit fire :/.

Science is fantasy, devolution is evolution... FFS. Pick some other thread to spam while you're stoned plz.

tbh i don't know if he is just dicking around - he's been acting this way for some time now. Think he's doing LSD and going through a hippy phase.

[O P T i C S]

Originally Posted by padnfain

religion has quantum mechanics?

science is based on findings and facts.

religion is based on thousands of year old books that have been translated from dead languages where the meanings have changed and is gone with the ORIGINAL language. And has been revised from time to time to meet a persons needs if they have the power to manipulate it enough. Sadly sounds more like fiction to me.

everyone knows the only real true religions started in the last half a century.... all praise to Ron. L. Hubarad and the walking jesus Tom Cruise!

[JokuJak]

Originally Posted by Prokopis

I dunno why you guys even bother addressing Joku's incoherent mind-dumps. I mean, it's obvious he's just dicking around and you're playing right into it by fanning that shit fire :/.

Science is fantasy, devolution is evolution... FFS. Pick some other thread to spam while you're stoned plz.

Mind dumps indeed, its just what you make from it, my friend

[JokuJak]

Originally Posted by BlueYaws

The uncertainty-principle of Heisenberg only states that subatomic particles cannot be assigned a position and momentum simultaneously. Our world though, in the scale we live in, is pretty damn deterministic so we need not worry about quantum mechanics affecting our every day live.

Modern science accepts and embraces skepticism totally and are encouraging the evolution of current paradigms. Sciences merely describes the world as accurately as possible, there is no fantasy to it.

BTW, there is no skepticism in religion. Just fantasy

Ok nice.
btw what does he really mean with position and momentum? sounds as space-time? So thats quantum physical..
Maybe our every day life is deterministic because we think it is? Define time..
Relative.

Yea but science doesnt "describe", its merely a translation of that what is around us. Theres translations in different "languages" aswell, many i guess..

And that what is around us is what i call the fantasy of the creator or the coincidence because our fantasy is based on that what you have seen and especially, gotten..

Religion is strange, i think its a way of dodging our incapabilities.. which we back up with religion, same counts for sciences, we back up our incapabilities but with science it really matters cus it is matter

[JokuJak]

Originally Posted by adaM

tbh i don't know if he is just dicking around - he's been acting this way for some time now. Think he's doing LSD and going through a hippy phase.

real hippies ain stupid though
im no hippie, i keep it at pot n alcohol.. im just philosophical, smart, handsome and i know i dont know

[JokuJak]

Originally Posted by padnfain

religion has quantum mechanics?

science is based on findings and facts.

religion is based on thousands of year old books that have been translated from dead languages where the meanings have changed and is gone with the ORIGINAL language. And has been revised from time to time to meet a persons needs if they have the power to manipulate it enough. Sadly sounds more like fiction to me.

I think religion has more of a big picture with underneath a few sub category´s

[padnfain]

so you are saying religion isnt based on facts or anything proveable other than simply a opinion? what if that opinion was wrong or was written down maliciously with the intent of misleading people with a convincing manner, and for thousands of years people have been following the rants of a drunk or a early ficiton writer. Your answer means this is possible.

[JokuJak]

Originally Posted by padnfain

so you are saying religion isnt based on facts or anything proveable other than simply a opinion? what if that opinion was wrong or was written down maliciously with the intent of misleading people with a convincing manner, and for thousands of years people have been following the rants of a drunk or a early ficiton writer. Your answer means this is possible.

Yea thats possible.
what are you trying to say?

see, science is a "translation" of it and religion is a belief

in the end u come up with the same results eventhough their both trying to say that they´re right. science has the proof, religion has the hope..

take the best parts of both and start a clean sheet ;o

And a religion is also stuff as buddhism etc right? imo a religion is anything that believes.. i think its not the good devinition of it so thats why i say it

[padnfain]

religion has no results only opinions which are unproveable.

science has results that are repeatable therefore proveable.

cherry pie has no grapefruit in it unless you are crazy or use the wrong recipe.

[Forsythe]

Originally Posted by padnfain

religion has no results only opinions which are unproveable.

science has results that are repeatable therefore proveable.

cherry pie has no grapefruit in it unless you are crazy or use the wrong recipe.

Some religious opinions are based on experience, but many are not.
Some scientific results can be misinterpreted and prove wrong results.

The important thing to see are the two ways of people:
-if you want to be happy, believe (have faith, understand without proof)
-if you desire truth, inquire (test, experiment, verify, etc)

[BlueYaws]

I'm perfectly happy being an atheist.

[adaM]

^Chritianity, nay, all world religions are happy without you =)

[Prokopis]

Religions don't have feelings.

[JokuJak]

Originally Posted by BlueYaws

I'm perfectly happy being an atheist.

Ppl only care for the future, they do this because they think this way you can make the coming memory´s better.
Most of us would define happyness as good memorys so..

We´ve forgotten that Life is happening to the all of us right now, we think not because we live for the future, trying to get the big thing. Because of this we throw away to small thing as not worthy, while its the small things that are the fundaments of the big thing.

I tell you, he who lives right now will never have to worry about the future nor the past and he will admire that what hes part of at all times because there is no time, theres only now

[BlueYaws]

He will be a bum with no education looking for the next fix.

[JokuJak]

It doesnt matter what why or who he is or becomes, the real shit is that hes not taking others with him and has respect and love for that what is given

[Forsythe]

only a person low on personal-power would take up a philosophy that doesn't focus on who he/she will become, and instead focuses on respect and love.

[padnfain]

respect mai authorati

[JokuJak]

Originally Posted by Forsythe

only a person low on personal-power would take up a philosophy that doesn't focus on who he/she will become, and instead focuses on respect and love.

My bad on respect. Because respect is non existant imo. A (much) better word is appreciation.
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Knowing others is intelligence; knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength; mastering yourself is true power.

[JokuJak]

Thats why im my own communist, ina good way ^^
has to be in times like these.

Relaxing communism

[O P T i C S]

Wtf!