Now that the war with Iraq is over.

[XxSWATxX]

Who will be the next president. I dont think the demo's have a chance. It is almost as ridiculous as the gov. elec that recently took place. You got atleast 9 ppl wanting to be the demo rep and each one is going to pull so many votes from the other the repubs will end up walking away with it. I wish Powell would run. I also wish Sharpton would win in a way. Give repubs something to cry about and laugh at the same time.

[ComiSolja]

i dont think its over
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/01/02/sprj.nirq.mosque/index.html


i really have no clue of whos gonna win it, i havented really payed attention to the polls or watched much of the debates... but honestly i hope george w doesnt get reelected... i dont think he is right for the job now.. and i dont think he will be right for the job for four more years..

[Neverside]

bush is gonna get it again, capturing saddam recently just sealed the deal

i have always supported him and will continue to, esp since i can vote in this election (first time)

[BlueYaws]

I can't imagin Bush being elected again. Or am I overestimating America?

[DOAownzU]

I wish Powell would run

Im right there with ya bro.

[Massacure]

Powell would be a good president. Anyways I think the democrats will do okay as long as Howard Dean doesn't end up being the one who runs agains't Bush. Howard Dean has said several things that he is going to end up regretting, and with him being in front of the Democrats, so he is also getting bashed the hardest. If he win's he's going to have to run agains't the Republicans bloody and beaten.

[XxSWATxX]

Powell would be a good president. Anyways I think the democrats will do okay as long as Howard Dean doesn't end up being the one who runs agains't Bush. Howard Dean has said several things that he is going to end up regretting, and with him being in front of the Democrats, so he is also getting bashed the hardest. If he win's he's going to have to run agains't the Republicans bloody and beaten.


The demo's are a bunch of monkies humping the same damn football right now. It is such a joke it isn't even funny. Just kinda shake your head in shame. If there was something that would come out of Iraq about a dirty bomb or a nuke or anything that could tie them dead to the Taliban it would be extremely easyto justify re-election. However with every one craw-daddding in the informaton dept. saying " I told Mr. Pres. we weren't certain", it makes it just look bad. It is what that country needed as well as many others but the main or one of the main reasons for going after Sadam this timewas the trememdous amount of information poinitng to his weapons and they have turned up little to none.

[Czigga]

I love when people who have no clue about American politics comment on it.

[XxSWATxX]

care to elaborate.

[GoAtankGo]

Nope, he has no clue about American politics so he won't comment.

[PYMPTYPE]

ok here is the expert PYMPTYPES honest opinion.

dean will certainly get the nomination, and rightfully so. he has raised way more money and has much more grass-roots support, which will be good cause it will get more democrats to the polls (most of them dont like to get off their lazy asses).

anyway i think dean has a good chance of becomming the next president. its to early for me to put a percentage on it but id say below 50% but still very possible. so many people hate bush its not even funny but then in the midwest and whitebread parts of america everybody loves them (becaues their tvs told them to). people talk shit saying dean says stupid stuff that he shouldnt have but look at bush, dean is much better with words and much more charismatic. it has become scary to watch bush talk he looks like he has no soul and no briancells and he just has some computer in his head telling him what to say, but he still cant say stuff right. he is a total bonehead.

howard dean IMHO has a much better chance of beating bush than any other candidate. the media would like to have you think otherwise "dean is too far left" is what they say but that will actually help mobilize the leftist majority. none of the other candidate have any charisma and that is extremely important (although neither does bush). dean is not the smartest but he comes off as someone who is serious and he will be respected for it.

if dean does loose the election, he will still come a lot closer than most people think. if bush wins it will be narrowly and same if dean wins it will be a close race. my only hope is that the democrats and supporters of them have just been holding back and are gonna totally destroy bush with attack ads and sound logic (since there is so much to say about him) but they are waiting till later to whip it out because that is when its most effective. conversly i think the bush people have a secret weapon they are prepared to whip out right before the election, my theory is it will be another "terror attack" or they will "find osama."

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blueyaws
"""I can't imagin Bush being elected again. Or am I overestimating America?"""

im not sure quite yes i guess this will be americans lipmis test, "has america really gone completely stupid" is the question the next election will answer. i like to think there is hope you are not overstating america but its really hard to tell even for an american because i have been subjected to all the same bullshit they have.

[Czigga]

I was commenting on Yaws comment on his problem with Bush. Let's hear why!

[PYMPTYPE]

I was commenting on Yaws comment on his problem with Bush. Let's hear why!

i thought it was pretty fuckin self-explanatory

[Czigga]

care to elaborate.

I think Swat thought I was talking about him.

Anyway, I disagree with you Pymp. Your complaints about Bush and your reasons for him not getting reelected are personal opinion. While you may not like him and think he's a soulless bastard, by and large Bush has some of the highest approval ratings ever seen by 3rd year presidents.

And I do think Dean is alienating himself with all of his far left stances. You say he will help mobilize the "leftist majority", but firstly the left is far from a majority at this point, and also moderate liberals are distanced from him and his total anti war on terror stance, seeing as how a good number of moderate liberals/democrats actually do support our actions in iraq, as shown through polls. And I don't know how you can say he is a good speaker; he is one of the most pessimistic and negative candidates I've ever seen, always frowning and grimmacing at everything in society. That doesn't win elections. Good attitudes like from Reagan and Clinton are what cause landslide victories.

Personally I think the Democrats would be much better off with candidates like John Edwards or John Kerry. Both have much more reasonable stances on foreign policy, and both are much better speakers than both Dean and Bush, if you've ever seen them speak.

But alas, it won't happen, and here's why.

The democrats need to differentiate themselves from the republicans at this point. This is why all of the hugest endorsers such as Al Gore and Hilary Clinton are backing Dean; they need to really push him through and give him as much inertia as possible leading into the election. Had they chosen someone like John Edwards to run, people wouldn't see enough difference between him and Bush. The last thing the democrats want is to agree with Bush. It's all strategy, all politics, all bullshit. So they really have no choice but to endorse Dean, as hopeless as it seems. This year it's going to the Republicans.

[ComiSolja]

blueyaws
"""I can't imagin Bush being elected again. Or am I overestimating America?"""

im not sure quite yes i guess this will be americans lipmis test, "has america really gone completely stupid" is the question the next election will answer. i like to think there is hope you are not overstating america but its really hard to tell even for an american because i have been subjected to all the same bullshit they have.


holy shit i agree with pymptype :o except.. it hink the word ur lookin for is litmus.. i could be wrong though.. anyways yeah...

Bush has had some of the really shitty foreign policy. ok good or him, he lead to the capture to saddam hussein. thats great and all but what did he do in the process of his lil war on terrorism (which btw.. can never really be won in the first place.. but ill get to that in a minute.) is piss off even more people. So esssentially yeah he took out some terrorists but he just created even more. he pushed those peopel that have feel that they have no reason to live over the edge and has given then a purpose in life. it has given them motivation.

anyways. it has not only caused indivdual people and groups to look down upon the united states and its foreign policy but also other countries. and YES other countries matter.. unless we want to live in some fucked up isolationist society like after the embargo acts, we need to have friends. and the perfect way to lose the countries that we could have as friends is reelecting bush.

not only does he not know where a lot of these countries are he also doesnt have the charisma or the common sense to impress foreign leaders, and convince them of his cause. Despite Clinton's own moral problems etc, he was a man with obvious charisma and had overall great foreign policy. he was able to get along with these other countires which is in itself necessary to prevent terrorism because again, the less people you have pissed at you the less terrorism that will occur

Bush also imho isnt going on the right track domestically either. in 2001 bush rejected the kyoto protocol. ok so..even if u dont give a shit about global warming it matters because rejecting this one.. makes us look retarded because the bush administrations reasons were that it would be too expesnive and would hurt the economy.. 1. they never actually did research oh how much this would cost. 2. most of the other most industrialized nations ratified it. the problem with this decision is that... he pretty much decided we are gonna be more dependent on oil and fossil fuels which really is dumb because they arent gonna last forever...

all the policies limited our civil liberties isnt really great either.. IE the patriot act.. and im gettin tired of typing.. but if any of u want me to elaborate on anything feel free to ask...
anyways.. for the 2004 election bush < * (almost)

i truely hope that his capture of a man hiding in a hole and shit like that doesnt win him the election.... looking at the real issues will ensure a less bumpy next four years

[XxSWATxX]

Capturing Sadam is going to be his crutch as well as his attempt to reform education. His policies both foriegn and domestic are definitely not the greatest. Republicans will vote for him simply bc he holds the highest office and to not vote for him would mean they don't agree with keeping the republicans in power. Ppl on the fence wont vote for him bc he knocked most of them off with this war and his policies. Any one notice how the world simply rejects him when he goes to their country. They seem to be or atleast look like they are setting records for political demonstration events and attendance. The only ones who really are supporting him are Republicans and Texans :\ I have to admit that ATM I am on the fence and hope for a better canidate like Powell.

[PYMPTYPE]

if capturing saddam is bush's crutch then he is finished. he needs something much more than that. taking the troops out of iraq will be good for him, if he can manage to stabilize it in time. if not like i said before he needs another terrorist attack or bin laden to win the kind of support he will need for reelecetion.

[ComiSolja]

swat ur my hero :) i assumed all texas were completey pro bush.... and apparently ur not so im <3

[XxSWATxX]

I am not the only one here but the majority of Texans could care less who it was just as long as he is a Texan. Now if he was from Oklahoma it wouldn't matter if he was the 2nd coming of christ. No Texan would support him. Another funny saying or joke is "Why doesn't Texas fall into the gulf? Because Oklahoma sucks so bad."

[a111TiTaN]

its not over.. people are still dying. Had a helicopter crash, killing 8 people yesterday

[DOAownzU]

true, almost more deaths in after war then actual war, sad

[XxSWATxX]

Sadam is caught. The primary part is over. Don't take it so literal.

[Murlaw26]

US inspectors have kept saying there is no WMD they have found. Looks like Bush government may have force the US intelligence in some things. There shouldn't been a war without actually showing proof of WMD. Right now really the only thing I see from Bush is how the economy is doing better, but who knows how long.

[PYMPTYPE]

the US has pulled the teams that were hunting for WMD out of iraq. i guess after they got saddam they found out there were none. now they are saying "their were no WMDs but saddam thought their were because he was lied to by his scientists so that is just as bad"

[crabulyse]

So suddenly Bush proposes that illegal immigrants should be able to legally work in US jobs, just another radical and gaudy pursuit. Leave it to the Bush administration to think of yet another way to screw America. I agree with Pymp that Dean has a fair chance for presidency -- he really needs to win.