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EJNelly
10-11-2006, 07:10 PM
Teen failed for stand on gays
Darrell Giles
October 08, 2006 12:00am


A 13-YEAR-OLD student was failed after she refused to write an assignment on life in a gay community, because of her religious and moral beliefs.

Her outraged mother, Christian groups and the State Opposition want an investigation into the treatment of the Year 9 student at Windaroo Valley State High School, south of Brisbane.


"It's no wonder our kids are struggling with the basics when the Government is allowing this sort of rubbish to be taught in the classroom," Opposition Leader Jeff Seeney told The Sunday Mail yesterday.

The uproar came as Federal Education Minister Julie Bishop this week announced plans for Canberra to take control of school curriculums from the states, accusing "ideologues" of hijacking the education system .

The girl was among a class of 13 and 14-year-olds asked to imagine living as a heterosexual among a mostly homosexual colony on the moon as part of their health and physical education subject.

They had to answer 10 questions, including how they felt about being in the minority and what strategies they would use to help them cope.

They were also asked to discuss where ideas about homosexuality came from.

Sources said the students were told not to discuss the assignment with their parents and that it was to be kept in-class.

They said many of the students were uncomfortable with the subject matter or did not understand the questions.

The 13-year-old girl instantly refused to do the assignment on religious and moral grounds.

"It is against my beliefs and I am not going there," she told the teacher, who responded by failing her.

After a series of discussions between the school and her mother, it was suggested the girl would be better off leaving the state education system and attending an independent school.

The girl's mother said yesterday she did not learn of the assignment until reading her daughter's report card several weeks later and discovered a first-ever fail mark for health and physical education.

"I went to the school thinking there might have been a personality clash with the teacher," said the mother, who asked to be identified only as Bronwyn.

She said she was shown the assignment. "When I started to read it I thought, 'Oh my God' . . . I was shocked by the content," she said.

"My daughter said she didn't want to do the assignment because she did not believe in homosexuality and did not want to answer the questions.

"She was being challenged, but she should not be challenged like that at her age."

Bronwyn was concerned that her daughter was not given an alternative scenario.

She said the school claimed it was powerless to change the curriculum.

Bronwyn said the school seemed more concerned about how parents found out about the assignment.

"That's what concerns me most . . . the parents had no opportunity to even see the assignment," Bronwyn said.

Ms Bishop said the incident highlighted her concerns.

"This is another example of a politically-correct agenda masquerading as curriculum," she said yesterday.

"Parents need to know the content of school curriculum so they can be confident their children are receiving a high quality education that is also consistent with their values."

The State Opposition and Australian Christian Lobby demanded an investigation.

Mr Seeney said Queensland needed common sense back in the classroom.

"The Beattie Labor Government has created a system that tries to tell kids what to think instead of teaching them how to think," he said.

"It is completely out of line for students to be graded on their moral beliefs.

"It's not the job of our schools to politicise our children. It is their function to provide our kids with the basics, like reading, writing and maths."

Christian Lobby state director Peter Earle said the assignment was not about education, rather a teacher or school pushing their own agenda on young minds.

"The subject matter was totally inappropriate," he said.

After being approached by The Sunday Mail, an Education Queensland spokeswoman late yesterday said the school had decided to drop the assignment from its curriculum and would work with the girl and her family to achieve a "satisfactory resolution".

"The aim of the assignment was to encourage students to think about diversity, culture and belief systems," she said.

"Schools can offer alternative assessment topics in consultation with parents, if the school is aware of concerns about an assignment."

If she were my kid I would have bitch slapped her. I feel the need to bitch slap the fuck out of people.

Forsythe
10-11-2006, 07:55 PM
How does dealing with a hypothetical social situation become something against religious and moral beliefs?

Both mom and daughter are simply homophobic morons - plain and simple. If they were asked how they would feel about being a homosexual or having homosex MAYBE it would be offensive. But all this story shows is plain old ignorance and homophobia.

Panzergod
10-11-2006, 08:20 PM
How does dealing with a hypothetical social situation become something against religious and moral beliefs?

Both mom and daughter are simply homophobic morons - plain and simple. If they were asked how they would feel about being a homosexual or having homosex MAYBE it would be offensive. But all this story shows is plain old ignorance and homophobia.
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Prokopis
10-12-2006, 12:09 AM
Easy fix there. Alternative assignment: imagine living as a heterosexual overseer of nazi Germany's biggest concentration camp, Auschwitz, and a morale problem is spreading among the work force. What strategies would you use to help you cope and restore everyone's faith to the solid ground it should clearly be standing on?

Blade4242
10-12-2006, 02:34 AM
for fuck's sake indeed, that pisses me off so much, little bitch refused to think about a serious issue facing us today, fucking deserves to get failed

Kiron
10-12-2006, 07:14 PM
i really hope she remains failed for being a wanker, if they complain enough to get the decision changed i think i'm going to cry

SL802404
10-12-2006, 11:57 PM
I don't know if I feel the same way about this. The girl is only 13 years old and probably doesn't have a well developed view of the gay community apart from what her parents may have told her. I understand the need for open-mindness, but if someone feels uncomfortable writing about a topic they are entitled to their beliefs. Just because the word 'hypothetical' was used does not eliminate a person's religious and moral beliefs from the situation. What do the 14 and 15 year olds have to write about in this class?--a situation on the moon where everyone gets knocked up and has an abortion, while you are the only virgin. I mean did the education system try to think of the most absurd topic possible. Why not just have more debatable topics like 'express your views on gay marriage, death penalty, etc.'? In this scenario there actually is education involved, since arguments from both sides can be taught. The article says she was one of many students to feel confused or uncomfortable about the topic. If the topic should be given at all, it should be given at the higher grade levels.

Forsythe
10-13-2006, 12:24 AM
I don't know if I feel the same way about this. The girl is only 13 years old and probably doesn't have a well developed view of the gay community apart from what her parents may have told her. I understand the need for open-mindness, but if someone feels uncomfortable writing about a topic they are entitled to their beliefs. Just because the word 'hypothetical' was used does not eliminate a person's religious and moral beliefs from the situation. What do the 14 and 15 year olds have to write about in this class?--a situation on the moon where everyone gets knocked up and has an abortion, while you are the only virgin. I mean did the education system try to think of the most absurd topic possible. Why not just have more debatable topics like 'express your views on gay marriage, death penalty, etc.'? In this scenario there actually is education involved, since arguments from both sides can be taught. The article says she was one of many students to feel confused or uncomfortable about the topic. If the topic should be given at all, it should be given at the higher grade levels.
So she is 13 years old and has a highly stringent moral and religious belief system, yet she cannot handle hypothetical situations? I remember when I was 13-14 years old - if given an assignment like that, I'd just say that I would not like so and so (whatever group was deemed 'evil' or gross at the time) and would try to live "right".

She refused to do the assignment (and not simply hand in an assignment that could have been strictly anti-homosexual or discriminatory). So even if we forget the fact this implies that she has ignorant beliefs against gays (because a lot of kids may be like that), this shows that she definitely realizes the social consequences of commenting in an anti-homosexual/discriminatory way. Therefore, she is not the "ignorant 13 year old" we take her to be.

However, I agree that philosophical, moral and religious debates are best introduced in later grades - because there's nothing more dangerous than forcing kids to think about their beliefs. Better to wait 'till after highschool before knocking them out of their moral highgrounds.

SL802404
10-13-2006, 01:17 AM
I didn't say she couldn't handle a hypothetical situation--I simply said that she should not be forced to do anything she feels uncomfortable doing. How do you know some 13 year old girl was trying to make a political statement instead of just feeling like she wasnt ready to do this assignment? She didn't even go to her parents about the assignment. Her parents did their research.

"She refused to do the assignment (and not simply hand in an assignment that could have been strictly anti-homosexual or discriminatory)."

That is exactly my point. Why should a 13 year old girl be forced to take sides. This paper is either for-homosexuals or anti-homosexual with little room in between. To say that you are for or against homosexuals is a decision no person should have to make let alone a 13 year old. There is so much gray area in the debate regarding homosexuality that there is no way that one can be forced into a white and black situation. Like I said before I am not against a child being open-minded; I just think the topic of the paper is ridiculous. Why not talk about Gay Marriage in which a child can learn about philosophical, moral, and religious debates without being forced into a potentially uncomfortable situation? Maybe the faculty is the ones who should have been more open-minded.

Forsythe
10-13-2006, 11:44 AM
The point is that it isn't about just being uncomfortable about the situation, because she could have just written about her feelings being confused. No one was asking her to take a side on homosexuality, it was a question of how you would cope with being a minority in a homosexual world. It was a question that makes you think about what to do in that world - not to suddenly take sides and see whether to tolerate homosexuality or to be against it. She wasn't forced into a black & white situation - that's the hardline position of religious people, not of the actual situation. No one needed to be a pro or anti homosexual (in the hypothetical situation and in the assignment itself).

So she's uncomfortable with the question of how to cope with living in a homosexual world, yet she "instantly" takes a side in a hardline situation that she will not speak about homosexuality because of her beliefs.

EJNelly
10-13-2006, 11:57 AM
The assignment had nothing to do with being for or against homosexuals, it was about being the minority. Homosexuality was used becuase it was a health and physical education class, just like I had when I was 14. I don't recall the assignments in the class, but I wouldn't be suprised if we had an assignment similar to this.

I think high school is a great time to knock them off their moral high grounds. My friends and I often discussed different beliefs and political views in high school.

Forsythe
10-13-2006, 12:11 PM
I agree - I had similar tests early on in highschool, and it was a good way to gauge your own ideas.

What's funny too I noticed was that she didn't just say that she's too uncomfortable with the issue to do the assignment. What is annoying about this story is that she said (just like any other extreme fundamentalist) that she would have nothing to do with even writing about issues concerning homosexuality, simply because of her moral and religious beliefs. If that isn't taking a hardline position, I don't know what is.

SL802404
10-13-2006, 01:14 PM
This assignment absolutely has something to do with being for or against homosexuals. It is not just about being a minority. In fact one of the questions is directed specifically about homosexuality. There are a million other hypothetical situations where one could person could play the role of the minority. For example, you are living on mars and everyone has three arms and you have only have two...something lame like that. What was this girl supposed to write? Homosexuality doesn't exist therefore the people I was living with made a choice to be liars therefore and I would live in solitude. She probably would have failed or at least done poorly if she handed this in. Maybe she should have handed it in and if she got a bad grade then it should be taken to this level...I am not a 100 percent sure how I feel on that one. At least to me it makes it seems like you are being forced to take a side against this issue. I don't necessarily agree with the girls beliefs, but I think the topic should be worded differently.

Forsythe
10-13-2006, 02:54 PM
This assignment absolutely has something to do with being for or against homosexuals. It is not just about being a minority. In fact one of the questions is directed specifically about homosexuality. There are a million other hypothetical situations where one could person could play the role of the minority. For example, you are living on mars and everyone has three arms and you have only have two...something lame like that. What was this girl supposed to write? Homosexuality doesn't exist therefore the people I was living with made a choice to be liars therefore and I would live in solitude. She probably would have failed or at least done poorly if she handed this in. Maybe she should have handed it in and if she got a bad grade then it should be taken to this level...I am not a 100 percent sure how I feel on that one. At least to me it makes it seems like you are being forced to take a side against this issue. I don't necessarily agree with the girls beliefs, but I think the topic should be worded differently.
Actually, if this had been about being a minority in the moon in terms of race, and asked the same kinds of questions - there would be no scandal, since racial discrimination is not a part of standard religious beliefs. YET according to your view, she would have to be taking a for/against position with that kind of hypothetical exercise as well - even though in the race example, it's clear that you don't have to take a hardline position either (ie. racists can still live in society without attacking different races).

Having 3 arms is not an issue of importance, because we do not encounter it - homosexuality and racism, on the other hand are.

It was not an exercise about taking a for/against homosexuality position, nor was it simply an exercise on being a minority in general (there are a thousand ways of being a minority). It's for thinking and putting thoughts on paper on how to cope with being the sexual orientation minority, and thoughts on the origins of homo.

SL802404
10-18-2006, 02:09 PM
Racism and homosexuality are not parallels in this example. It wouldn't be possible to argue that people from different races don't exist at all, but it is possible to argue that homosexuality doesn't exist at all. This girls approach is that people choose to be homosexual and actually aren't born homosexuals. Ignorant? Probably...but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Forsythe
10-19-2006, 01:45 AM
How is homosexuality's existence as strictly biological or strictly choice a major idea behind answering hypothetical questions about being a heterosexual minority in a homosexual world? Whether it's biological or choice is not important - the question states how one would cope with that world.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but they should fail an assigned piece of homework if they do not "desire" to answer a simple question.

Simply put: she is ignorant and discriminatory of homosexuals and is an idiot for being so, BUT she does not deserve to fail because of that. She deserves to fail because she decided to act on those discriminatory feelings BY WAY OF not completing an assignment that involves thinking hypothetically about a homosexual world. It was not, after all, an assignment on being forced to say you agree or not with homosexuals (ie. it was not a moral values statement).